In this, our twenty-second episode we discuss:
- The Root Of All Evil hosted by Lewis Mac
- The Munoz Sports Minute Extended Edition
- Watching a bunch of guys standing around pointing at each other
- How the Mets got Rickroll'd
- Indiana Jones vs solo Han Solo
- Jesse's love of trilogies
- A New Hope = The Matrix ?
- Opinions of Star Wars episodes 1 - 3
- What Rian has been watching lately
- Setting the bar high for SFX and then subsequently undershooting it
- A Luc Besson brain fart
- Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, and Rian's secret shame
- Rian's highly anticipated reactions to Ferris Bueller's Day Off
- Matthew Broderick & Arnold Schwarzenegger: Disposable talent?
- Acting vs impersonation
- Two kinds of martial arts for two kinds of fans
- Revisiting Juno and DVD purchasing habits
- Comics Rian has (and Jesse hasn't) bought and/or read lately
- Plans for the weekend
- The mixed-up priorities of some modern day parents
...and multiple other topics. Come along, won't you, as Jesse and Rian get Sidetracked.
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...It Also Most Likely Contains Some Spoilers
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Episode 22 Song List:
Seventeen Years - Ratatat
Tuxedo Hat - The Octopus Project
Adorno - Deerhunter
I Wish - The Secret Handshake
Paper Planes (Diplo Street Remix) - M.I.A. feat. Big Bun & Rich Boy
Men In Black - Forever The Sickest Kids
What Gets You Through The Night - The Audition
Metatron - The Mars Volta
Five - Electrelane
Big Big Love (Fig. 2) - Foals
Brahminy Kite - Caribous
What Do You Go Home To? - Explosions In The Sky
The Dreams - Weatherbox
Super Bon Bon - Soul Coughing
Elq Milq - The Octopus Project with Black Moth Super Rainbow
Lapland - Ratatat
Gin And Juice - Hot Rod Circuit
Apple Bomb - Deerhoof
I Got Your Money - Say Anything
***OOPS - Contrary to what Rian states in this episode, Maxim Magazine did in fact include Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope in their "300 Movies You Must See Before You Die" article. As a matter of fact, you can view the entire list, along with which of the included films Rian has seen, by visiting his film rant/review blog: What I've Been Watching. Also, the Luc Besson Film from 2007 which Rian couldn't recall the title of is called Angel-A.
So basically, Rian is saying that it is hard for him to imagine just any actor in the roll of an emotionless robot, yet he has an easy time replacing Matthew Broderick in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, a role filled with charisma and attitude and confidence and range (more so than a semi-emotionless robot), with any Joe Shmoe actor. SOMEONE must have been able to do that role better than that "Godzilla guy."
ReplyDeleteRian, what you failed to point out, which is the same reason you frustrate me at every turn, is that you fail to realize why actors get roles. Because they bring something to the table. Someone saw something in Matthew Broderick. they thought he was so great, more so than any other young actor at the time, that they cast him as the role of Ferris Bueller.
But you can't even accept that. "There must be someone better than this guy, who goes on to be in Godzilla, a teensy tiny blip on the radar of his career. You couldn't have said Election? Or War Games? Or Lady Hawk? Or GLORY? Or The CABLE GUY? I mean, FUCK(!), Rian, not even Inspector GADGET?!?!?
No, you know him from the one movie he's been in with the most vapid, manufactured role ever, and somehow it tarnished your viewing of Ferris Bueller's Day Off.
Oh, wait, but you liked it. But you don't like it.
You're such a fucking snob!
P.S. You two argue like bitches about pointless shit. Sidetracked sucks now.
I haven't seen Election, War Games, Lady Hawk, Glory, or Inspector Gadget. I have seen The Cable Guy, but it didn't come to mind. Anyway, as I explained in the episode, I felt that someone could have been better in the role of Ferris Bueller. I didn't particularly think that Broderick was great in the movie. He was playing a cocky, confident guy, but came off more like a dick than anything to me. What can I say? To each his own.
ReplyDeleteI've only seen the movie once and it was just this week. I don't have a long history of having seen the movie multiple times and loving it over the years and looking back fondly on Matthew Broderick in the role. That's what I was getting at when I mentioned that since I've seen the Terminator films so many times over and loved Arnie in the role for numerous years, I find it hard to imagine anyone else in the role and think that he was the perfect person for it.
If you think that I don't understand the casting process for movies then you're sorely mistaken. I'm sure there was a rigorous search for the right actor to play Ferris Bueller, and apparently they picked the right guy since seemingly everyone thinks that he's great in the film, but that doesn't mean that I had to like him in it.
And as far as the Godzilla thing is concerned, as I mentioned above, I apparently haven't seen many Matthew Broderick films, and in the heat of the moment on the show the one that came to mind when I thought of him was Godzilla. So sue me. It wasn't a personal attack on Matthew Broderick or his fans. The conversations on the show, as you know, are off the cuff and I couldn't just hop on IMDb and research the guy's career. I'd seen Godzilla a few times before. I'd never seen Ferris Bueller. Hence, in my mind I pictured Broderick more as "the Godzilla guy" than "the Ferris Bueller guy". Nothing I can do about that.
And why am I a snob for liking a movie but not liking everything about it? You're going to tell me that you either love a movie completely or hate it with every fiber of your being? I said right at the beginning of the conversation on the show that I'd give it a 3 out of 5. That's fair, isn't it? I didn't hate it and I didn't love it. If someone in the future asks me what I think of the movie I'll say "Yeah, I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was a good movie."
On the topic, again, of anyone playing an emotionless robot, when you get into the second Terminator film, there is a lot more to that role than just looking pissed and punching things. No, I don't think that any huge guy could play the Terminator. Nor do I think that any young guy could have played Ferris Bueller. Someone else could have played the Terminator, but as I stated over and over, in my opinion, Arnie was the perfect choice. In the same vein, I believe that someone else could have played Bueller, but surely in most peoples' minds Broderick was the perfect choice. Again, to each his own.
We can disagree on things and have conversations and debates until we're both old and gray, and while the discussions may get heated, it'll still just be a discussion. I love discussions. However, when you start calling me a snob or saying other such derogatory things about me, that's when I get pissed, because as you've said before, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I don't see how it's necessary to attack me personally like that. I know you can get worked up when you're listening to the conversation and can't get in on the action. I felt the same way when I was editing the damn thing, believe it or not. I got worked up all over again and was in the mood to debate the topics at hand further even though I was listening to a recording of myself. But still, when the shit reverts to name calling, that's when I get honestly mad. So again, please post your opinions as much as you want because I honestly love hearing them and conversing about the show and it's topics with you, but whether it's out of momentary frustration or not, please be a bit more careful of what you say and how you say it. When you call me a snob in black and white text in a comment I can only take it at face value, and the face value of words like that aren't nice or sarcastic.
So yeah. Disagree with me. Comment. Critique. Just keep it civil. Please.
Rian, I apologize for name calling. My frustration doens't stem from a difference of opinions. I expect to have them with you. ALWAYS.
ReplyDeleteI only say that because you DIDN'T SAY, "Yeah, I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was a good movie." You basically say, "I didn't like it, but I did."
You seem to do this a lot, and you send out a VERY mixed signal when you talk about anything. This generally frustrates me.
My gripe more than likely comes from the fact that you and I definitely communicate our feelings differently:
You tend to make statements that seem to protect you immediately from scrutiny. It's a tried and true nerd habit. I'm guilty of it. By starting off saying that things are 'basically' lame, you are taking precautions so as not to arouse suspicion and catch flak just for liking something.
You do this CONSTANTLY. And it pisses me off. Because you talk about a lot of things I can talk about, but you immediately quash any chance of starting out on the right foot of a discussion by going, "Eh, not great. I wasn't really into it." Then people respond with, "Well, you're obviously crazy." Which is when you proceed to say, "Hey Hey Hey! I'm being fair here. I liked it. What's your problem?"
Like I said: I've done this. Everybody has. But I try very hard not too. Because it bugs me to no end. I'm sure you have solid opinions. But you present them in a layer of pseudo-inflexible flexibility, so you can "win" your discussions accordingly.
So when I said, "Oh, wait, you liked it. But you don't like it." I was trying to make the point of picking a fricking side. Either you liked it or you didn't. So if you did, say you did. and talk about what you liked. Then talk about what you didn't like.
That's a good rule of thumb anyway: When you discuss something, you should usually open with what you liked about it because people will get on board. "Hey, I liked that too!"
THEN after you bond over what you liked, proceed with your laundry list of shit you inevitably like to complain about. People will be more patient to listen to all your nitpicky bullshit OR quality critique (which you are prone to do both) after you're in agreement on the positive aspects of the film (or comic book, or music album, etc).
And my point on Matthew Broderick is that, like Terminator, Ferris Bueller is an icon. The respective actors are always known through that movie, above any other film. So I was hoping that you would realize that your incapability of imagining anyone else in the role of the T-800 is the same incapability of someone trying to imagine anyone else in the role of Ferris Bueller. I wouldn't want to watch "Marty McFly's Day Off," Nor Would I want to watch "Back To The Bueller."
When you make statements like these, you immediatley polarize film discussions in the worst way possible.
SO once again, I apologize for calling you a fucking snob. I was in a rage after subjecting myself to two old hens jabbering on about accents for the better part of a half-hour. I didn't even properly re-read what I wrote before I posted it. My inner editor should've caught that, or at least evened it out and insulted Jesse too (because you were both to blame).
So I am sorry, Rian. I wish you the best of luck on your next podcast.
i thought every thing we argue about is pointless.
ReplyDelete*tear*
"I only say that because you DIDN'T SAY, "Yeah, I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was a good movie." "
ReplyDeleteIs that not implied when I began the conversation by saying I would give the movie a middle-of-the-road 3 out of 5? I literally started off by saying "I certainly didn't love the movie, but I also certainly didn't hate the movie."
"That's a good rule of thumb anyway: When you discuss something, you should usually open with what you liked about it because people will get on board. "Hey, I liked that too!"
THEN after you bond over what you liked, proceed with your laundry list of shit you inevitably like to complain about."
Didn't I do that? I started out by saying that I liked the principal character, and Ferris' friend, and some of the comedy stuff involving all the pranks, etc. Then Jesse asked me what I didn't like and I told him. It's not like I immediately launched into a violent rampage against the film or something.
Anyway, what I've taken from your comments is that you didn't mind how I felt about Ferris Bueller's Day Off, but were somehow offended by how I explained my feelings about it. This is something that I'm not too sure I could change. I speak the way I speak. I'm sorry if that's a problem, but while we can debate our opinions on movies, we can't really debate how I express myself.
You're right, Rian, you did do those things that you commented on by copying my text and responding to in true message board fashion.
ReplyDeleteI guess I've always dismissed those "positive" comments you make as pure formality. You have to say one thing to please the other party before you can move on to how you really feel. If you truly feel the way you feel when you make the positive comments then it's immediately eclipsed by the slew of criticism you throw out immediately after, some warranted, some not, coupled with inane opinions, that are truly yours alone, so I have to give you props on originality, but overall completely baffling to a general listener like myself.
I honestly don't know how someone can formulate opinions the way you do. There's this middle part in your logic or your world-view that I just don't get, apparently. I'm not offended by it. I just wish you could back it up with arguments I could actually get behind, or at the very least see where you're coming from. But it's been tested and proved that i can't. Your shit gets crazier and crazier.
I don't know what to tell you. It's definitely got to be a communication issue.
I'm going to try not to comment anymore on Sidetracked because I'm tired of upsetting you. I should probably just stop listening altogether- Save us both some grief (as in "Good grief! What the fuck is he talking about?!").
Like I said, I don't want you to stop commenting. I like hearing your opinions so long as you're not foaming at the mouth with anger when you type them.
ReplyDeleteI have no idea what you guys are even arguing about anymore.
ReplyDeletewho? me and rian on the show? or savage and rian on the comments?
ReplyDeleteRian and Savage. It's gotten to the point that it's just ridiculous now.
ReplyDeleteworst episode ever!!!!! even the mention of me couldnt save it... I wanted to slap both of you in the face after that first 15 minutes of the argument...after the 25 minutes I was at work yelling shut up!!!!shut up goddamnit.I was asked to leave.
ReplyDeletenobody points out that arnold wasnt even the first choice to play the terminator!OJ simpson was. Just imagine OJ Playing an unhuman killer...
if they manage to stop judgement day, reese will never come back in time and father john Hince he'll be marty mcflied out of exzistence, with a plot hole that big why bother with the robots accent.
I thought we as a people had decided that the american godzilla never happened.I know I was happy walking passed it in the bargain bins and pretending I didnt see it, can we please go back to that...please I beg you!
jesse watch the good, the bad and the ugly its awesome.
savage calm down
tell me that the fight was fake because you guys had nothing else to talk about this week and ill give you five bonus points
Jesse The flight of the conchords cd came out today, hope you bought it
Lost this week rian so cheer up buddy