In this, their thirty-fourth episode, Jesse and Rian are once again joined by Ricky Robertson as they discuss:
- Hellboy II: The Golden Army or The Golden Turd?
- Movies that we've all seen in and out of the theater this week
- Is Speed Racer better than The Matrix? Jesse says...
- National Lampoon's Vacation franchise: A retrospective
- Batman: Gotham Knight (aka The Animatrix with Batman)
- The (alleged) redeeming qualities of the Saw franchise
- Ricky's movie-watching habits
- The pros of cons
- The comic books that we've bought and/or read and/or haven't bought or read this week
- Secret Invasion #4: Finally worth $4?
- OEL? WTF?!
- Whether The Exterminators is beginning or ending, and in which media
- A movie based off of a video game based off of a movie
- The theoretical future of Louis Leterrier's career
- Our individual choices for The Top 5 Movie Endings Of All Time (Major Spoiler Alert!)
...and multiple other topics. Come along, won't you, as Jesse, Rian, and Ricky get Sidetracked.
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Episode 34 Song List:
Branford Theme - Will Arbuckle
Prepare For The Masses - A Change Of Pace
If You Wanna Dance - Never Heard Of It
808 - Olivia
Risque - Cute Is What We Aim For
Abba Zabba - Fenix TX
In This Legacy - Monty Are I
Stay Where I Can See You - The Starting Line
The Goodbye Celebration - American Diary
Sonnny - New Found Glory
So When Did Everybody In A Band Become Such A Hair Farmer? - Amazing Transparent Man
You've Dug Your Grave, Now Lie In It - Kenotia
What's My Age Again? - Blink 182
This Is Our Town - We The Kings
Broken Silence - Better Luck Next Time
Detox - Millencolin
The Call Out (You Are The Dishes) - Hit The Lights
You Have What I Need - Hawk Nelson
City Of The Angels - Wang Chung
155 - +44
Ticket Outta Loserville - Son Of Dork
Siren On The 101 - Over it
Better Late Than Never - Allister
Memory - Sugarcult
Disappear - The Summer Obsession
Punk Rock Princess - Something Corporate
My Everything - Cauterize
Right Now - SR-71
Keeper - Yellowcard
Long Division - Death Cab For Cutie
I Want To Conquer The World - Bad Religion
Only Lovers Left Alive - T(i)NC
Innocence - Union 13
Pure Trauma - Downset
Takers And Users - The Business
Tonight I'm Burning - Bombshell Rocks
Let Me In - The Beatsteaks
Say Goodnight - Voodoo Glow Skulls
Dance All Day - Wang Chung
A Letter To Both Sides - The Fixx
Southern Belles In London Sing - The Faint
Good. Lord.
ReplyDeleteListen, Hellboy was far from perfect. Rian, I'm actually surprised you said you would watch it again. I agree with you that it wasn't intellectually stimulating (something that Pan's Labyrinth was).
But mainly, the big problem I'm hearing with the immediate complaints coming from the three of you (and really, Jesse is excused because he doesn't read the book because he's an idiot- yeah, I said it), the big problem is the statement:
"they weren't their characters from the comic."
No duh.
They weren't their characters from the comic in the FIRST film, fer chrissakes.
*NOTE*
I'm just making my case here, I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence.
Hellboy isn't an insecure kid at over 50 YEARS OLD who needs to grow the fuck up, isn't the son of Lucifer, isn't a secret to the world after all these years, isn't in puppy love with a piece of wood, and doesn't let his anger control ALL his actions... in the comics.
Liz Sherman isn't played by said piece of wood, isn't used as lackluster window dressing, and doesn't exist solely to coo "Oh, H.B."... in the comics.
Abe doesn't eat rotten eggs, read four books everyday (without a pageturner?! WTF?!?!), isn't teletactic or whatever the fuck that word is, and he definitely isn't Niles from Frasier... in the comics.
OH! And the BPRD HQ has never been in New Jersey.
So with all that stacked up against the film franchise as far as differences go between the silver screen and comic versions of these characters we ALL love so much-What would make you think they would snap to point all of a sudden for the second film? It just seemed naive to assume that and I feel it gave you guys obvious, nitpicky shit to complain about on the podcast.
So with all that said, the only thing I'm really saying here is this:
yes, you're right in some respects, the movie definitely disappointed on certain levels. However, the things that were wrong about the FILM were not the differences the characters had going from paper to film.
Those characters on the screen were their own characters, independent of the comic. "Do they really have the right, considering they're supposed to be from the comics?" Irrelevant. It's already been done. We just have to cope.
So when I saw the film, I knew I wasn't going to like the characters from the get go. I knew I would hate the Liz Sherman relationship bullshit, I knew Hellboy was going to be a big baby, I knew that the creature effects were going to be a shitload of fun to watch, and Johann was in it voiced by Seth McFarlane.
What I was suprised by in the film were a couple things-
1) The babies, obviously. No one really needs that plotline, but once again, it's done, so we might as well just be interested to see where it goes.
2) Johann reanimating one of the Tooth Faeries and possessing that Golden Army Soldier. Those were great.
3) Mr. Wink was THE SHIT. He looked FANTASTIC. I was sad to see him go so early.
4) That crazy fight between Hellboy and the Prince. it was way more intense than I expected. They were moving FAST.
5) The Forest Spirit was amazing, and I love how its 'blood' instantly created vegetation all over the place (not a new concept, as it happened in Princess Mononoke, but it was still stunning to watch, and tragic, for that matter)
6) I was definitely surprised by how dumbed down Jeffrey Tambour's character was. That was disappointing.
And now some quick gripes-
Rian-
You need to go check out Pan's Labyrinth again and take a good look at The Pale Man. Every time I've heard you say 'the angel guy looks like that guy with the eyes in his hands,' my skin crawls. They are so distinctly different that I can't believe a visual person such as yourself would make such a brash comparison. Take a closer look.
Jesse-
Lighten the fuck up. That's an order. Always with the extremes. There are so few 'PERFECT MOVIES' out there. Take a breath and realize that most of the stuff you see isn't going to be God's gift to Film. Meanwhile, although a film might be far from perfect, it's still trying to say something. Try and focus on that, huh? What the fuck was this film trying to make a statement about. All art is is making a statement through a medium.
For Hellboy 2, I'm assuming it had something to do with fatherhood, with undercurrents of 'doing what's right even if it's not what you want' and that 'true love' nonsense, tat we al know is bullshit (except Jesse of course, who has found it, hat's off). The film was jumbled, I won't deny it.
So yeah, these are my two cents.
I can't wait to see how bad Dark Knight is going to suck next week. J/K I hope it's good, but man, if it's bad, i CANNOT WAIT to hear Jesse eat it on the next podcast, you big Dark Knight Whore. You can't even shove that in my face either, as I don't go to weird extremes when it comes to excitement for a movie, and if it's good, we all win.
But holy rusted metal, Batman! What if it's bad?!
*SIGH*
Great. Now that I've written all this I can go back to listening to your podcast. Only 1 hour and 57 minutes left.
Who the fuck do you guys think you are, btw- Andy Fucking Warhol? Jesus christ these are getting long.
and not to be too critical of you guys being overly critial of Hellboy-
ReplyDeleteJesse, I'm very pleased to hear you loved Speed Racer that much. It definitely deserved more attention than it received. It's a shame it bombed. I'm so happy to hear you almost as ecstatic about it as i am.
Karl, Nice comments man--you're a fucking blog commenting machine. Next time you should mention me though!!!!
ReplyDeleteAnyway, I thought the podcast was awesome, me and Jesse really hit it off on this one, it seemed our opinions were pretty similar, the whole Hellboy conversation was much more unified than I thought it would be. I thought we'd have a heated debate but we pretty much agreed.
One mistake from Rian I'd LOVE to point out, because it's fun--when describing why so many people saw Hellboy II in the theatres you said 'Special Features' instead of 'Special Effects'. It's a novel idea though, and you're probably going to be a millionaire for inventing it. How cool would that be, to see special features after movies in the theatre??
The top 5 list went great also, nice work gents. I'm amped for the next episode!!!
P.S. my computer fucked up, so I had to listen to most of the podcast via my PS3--what would I do without it!?
Also!!! Rian I F-ing loved how you bleeped Jesse's spoiler!!!! I didn't think you'd actually do it. Hearing that was the biggest laugh I've had in a really long time!!!!!
ReplyDeleteRicky, I haven't mentioned you yet because i haven't finished listening. I typed all that out after the first 20 minutes. You'll get mentioned, I swear IT!
ReplyDeleteMax Payne was injected against his will with the drug "Valkyrie." Then he followed a floating trail of baby blood through his closet.
HOLY CRAP! I JUST WATCHED THE MAX PAYNE MOVIE TRAILER AND EVERY SINGLE SET LOOKED LIKE AN ENVIRONMENT FROM THE GAME!
ReplyDeleteI believe those angel monster things are definitely supposed to be valkyries or something and are definitely hallucinations.
The Aesir Corporation... what a bunch of bastards.
SIDENOTE- I loved the first Max Payne. Ididn't think the story was bad at all. It was a lot of fun, it was full of film noir goodness, there was a great twin peaks-ish easter egg, and the bullet-time was fantasitc. The funny thing though, is that while I used bullet-time frequently, I was much more successful in the gunfights by ducking and covering and using tactics to bring the enemy forward. Hiding behind a wall gets you shot way less than jumping into a room with a shotgun in slow-mo while four guys are playing poker and have machine guns trained on you. That shotgun only fires twice before you hit the ground! THose machine guns shoot more. Lots more.
Now I have two movies too look forward to this fall CHOKE & MAX PAYNE.
OK Ricky, here's your comment- It's all you, buddy-
ReplyDelete"That pompous bitch!"
-Ricky summing up Louis Leterrier's ho-humness on directing a Spider-Man film
That was great.
AND!
"If Jesus was a predator I would be SO religious!"
The best thing I have ever heard. Ever.
Please allow me to retort.
ReplyDeleteYes I don't read Hellboy and I can agree that I am an idiot for that. I'll see what I can do about correcting that.
As far as Hellboy2, the only thing I know is that I was bored. Thats rally all it came down to. I liked some parts. But for the most part I was bored. Oh well. I don't think it was really that dramatic. I thought it would be more fun. I enjoyed what Hellboy2 was. I know not every movie is going to be perfect but I thought I would enjoy it. I even said it in the begining, I thought it was boring. As far as it making a statment, I felt it would have been better if did have something to say. I will agree with these 2 statements
2) Johann reanimating one of the Tooth Faeries and possessing that Golden Army Soldier. Those were great.
4) That crazy fight between Hellboy and the Prince. it was way more intense than I expected. They were moving FAST.
I agree these are getting long. I'll do everything I can to make it shorter. I think the episode should be at the most an hour and a half.
I will gladly eat crow if Dark Knight sucks. But it won't so I'm not worried. What can I say I'm excited. I know I've taken it to the extreme. I'm really excited. Sue Me.
I love having Ricky on the show. Dude is hilarious. I'm glad he will be on the show next week as well.
SPEED RACER FTW!!! I called it a masterpiece and I'm still not as estatic as you are about it? lol
Karl I'm curious and excited to hear if you have a top 5 movie endings.
If any of this sounds crazy its 1:30a and I'm tired and burnt. Forgive me.
@ Karl:
ReplyDeleteAs you know (or should know from listening to me talk on the show), I am aware that the Hellboy films are separate from the comics and that the characters are different from their page-born brothers and sisters, but that still doesn't mean that I have to like them or "cope" with them. Hellboy's character was changed for the first film from the way he appears in the comic and that bugged me a bit, but for the most part he still felt (and obviously looked) very Hellboy-ish. The same goes for Liz and Abe, at least until the sequel came about (at this point I'm just repeating what I said on the show). In the case of Johann however, he is nothing like his comic book counterpart at all outside of physical traits, which is why I had such a problem with his character. It wasn't necessarily a flaw with the film as the film is it's own beast which will live and die based upon the world and characters that it presents to it's audience, completely separate from the comic, but the changes in his character merely robbed me of all the delight I had going into the film anticipating seeing one of my favorite characters brought to life. No matter how different the previous film was from the comic, there's no reason that I shouldn't have expected Johann to seem like Johann, which is why I was disappointed. Similar to my statement on the show about a stoner Superman, my complaints about Johann all concerned my dislike for how he was fleshed out in the film, which is simply nowhere near as good as it has been done in the comics. In my mind, what was on onscreen was not Johann Kraus and that's fine since the movie is essentially it's own separate universe, but I still didn't like him in it.
I agree with all six of your numbered points. The two instances when Johann possessed things were my favorite moments involving his character because those were just about the only times when he felt like the character I wanted to see. As for Jeffrey Tambor, I was surprised by his character in this film as well, especially considering he actually had a rather important part in the last one (which I wasn't expecting at all when I originally went into seeing that film a few years ago). The forest creature was very cool and, as with you, reminded me immediately of Princess Mononoke, which, of course, is not a bad thing at all. Wink was badass as well.
As for the Pan's Labyrinth versus Hellboy 2 monster comparison, I'm looking at pictures of the eye-hand guy and the angel of death or whatever side by side right now in my browser and they still look very similar to me. Throw some clothes on that guy from Pan's Labyrinth and you've got two pale, creepy guys with no eyes. Of course there are other differences and I'm simplifying them some, but whenever I look at one of them it immediately brings to mind the other.
@ Ricky:
I've listened to the show twice now and never caught that I said features instead of effects. I guess I'll have to listen to it again.
As for your question about what you'd do without a PS3, I guess you'd play a lot less PS3 games and watch even more Matthew Perry movies (not that there's anything wrong with that; you know I'm a The Whole Nine Yards fan).
Oh, and thanks for the props.
@ Anyone & Everyone:
Plans have changed and Ricky and I will be seeing The Dark Knight at midnight on Thursday (which actually means that due to the time difference between the East and West coasts, we'll have seen the movie before the trailers have even started in Jesse's theater...HA!). This fact should ensure that a Dark Knight-centric episode of the podcast guest-starring Ricky is recorded and ready for release by next Sunday (so long as Jesse can pry himself away from his fiancé long enough to edit it by then).
@ Rian - I totally hear you on all points. I like to rant and stuff, but please know I understand how you're feeling in regards to Johann. My hopes and dreams for the characters in Hllboy were dashed after the first film- despite what you say, they weren't similar at all to their comic counterparts, imo. So my mindset going into the second film was one that was acutely aware that I leave all thoughts of the comic at the door, or else be plagued by infuriating comparisons.
ReplyDeleteDespite having read most of the BPRD trades, i still couldn't tell you what Johann's personality is. When you said he's quiet, I though, "must be, because i can' remember anything he's said," although i can remember things he's done, like push to get Roger reanimated, which was tragic. He's quiet and noble. I'm remembering now. But i didn't when I saw the film, so the one in the film was fine for me(in the context of the movie, of course).
@ JESSE-
I know you were bored. It's cool. Hellboy was not a good film, story-wise. The only real difference I feel I have with all three of you on the show was that i was pretty much enjoying myslef the entire way throughout the film. I was not pissed i spent money on it, i wasn't bored watching it, but when it was all done I knew it was not good. Generally, I seem to have vastly different THEATER experiences than you guys, although
we usually hold a film in the same light as far as quality. because really, discussing how you WATCHED a movie, and how good the film acutally was should be two separate conversations.
I do hope the Dark Knight is good. Ledger's performance has been getting crazy good reviews, but the film overall has been getting mixed. I'm pretty sure it will be better than the first, at least.
MY TOP 5 ENDINGS LIST-
*NOTE*
The Usual Suspects, Way of the Gun, Blues Brothers, Back To the Future, Four Rooms, Kill Bill Vol. 1, 12 Monkeys, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, and a couple others were dropped from consideration, due to them already being mentioned and ranked by you guys. It makes this task easier, as you guys already listed a lot of really good ones.
I happened to list 10 hopefuls though, so that's enough fo some runner ups and whatnot:
RUNNER UPS
10. Blazing Saddles - Nothing says awesome like watching a cowboy tussle get interrupted by a musical number on a Hollywood set, only to have the fourth wall completely obliterated, resulting in absolute chaos and a pie fight, as Hedley Lamarr gets shot in the groin like he deserved.
9. The Royal Tenenbaums - The family stand around Royal's grave with his headstone reading: "Died tragically rescuing his family from the remains of a destroyed sinking battleship." The family then begins their slow motion exit, very much referencing their preparation at the beginning of the film, set to the tune "Everyone" by Van Morrison. Fucking beautiful.
8. Disney's Aladdin - "Genie, I wish for you freedom!" And then the fact that Genie was completely shocked at the wish, and then the cuffs come off (but he still has all his powers, which is sweet).
7. Waking Life - After all the viewpoints and philosophies and world views and understandings of the discussions of what dreams are, what you can do with them, and what might be happening if you can't wake up out of one, the ending of this movie was a natural progression of events that poised such a great question, it left me thinking about it for weeks.
6. Memento - With justice served (apparently), the audience is left feeling like they've been dicked over, because they find out that the protagonist, the character whose word the audience is supposed to take as the truth of the film, is completely off his fucking rocker, despite the whole film convincing the audience, through voice over, that he's still fully capable of fuctioning as a detective. Ridiculous.
TOP 5
5. Pulp Fiction - I would probably put Four Rooms, Death Proof, Kill Bill Vol. 1, or even Resevoir Dogs up here as far as bombastic endings are concerned. But the MOTHERFUCKING "COOL" FACTOR of the end o Pulp Fiction always does it for me. There's a reason I watch this film at least four times a year. A Mexican Stand-Off is always awesome to see, and with Jules consoling Yolanda, it just added to all the great, crazy tension. "Jules, if you give that nimrod $1,500 I'll fucking shoot him myself." "Vincent! Shut the FUCK. UP!"
And then ultimately, what I love is the very last shot, where jules and Vincent tuck their guns in their "dorky" clothing, still as professional in appearance, if not MORESO somehow, than in their suits at the beginning of the film, and they walk out the door and head right. I can nevr remember when that cut is at the end. Does it happen when the door coses? Is it timed with the music? But when it finally cuts to black I always think the same thing: What a Bad-Ass Motherfuckin' movie.
4. Raiders Of The Lost Ark - I move to strike 'Crystal Skull' from the record for this entry. In 'Raiders,' the Ark of the Covenant is put in some crazy giant warehous full of secrets, never to be seen again. Roll credis. Bad ass.
3. Mulholland Drive - Tiny old people chase Naomi Watt into her room where she blows her brains out. If I say anymore, I'll drive myself insane with ponderance. An ending that brings the film full circle into "WTF?!" territory, which once again left me thinking about things for days...
2. Lost In Translation - The entire film was so sweet, charming, and subtle, and so was the ending. It toys with a terribly ending with NO resolution- just an uncomfortable goodbye as Bo waits for his taxi, all eyes on him, Charlotte and Bob can't really say goodbye the way the would like. Bob watches Charlotte go to the elevator, which closes only to reflect Bob's luggage. (Y'see? It's shit like this that i love! That's such a great shot, it's symbolic, and it speaks volumes with out a single word actually spoken!!!)
ANYWAY, the scene that follows is amazing, it leaves the viewer wanting more, it's sad, it's happy, and it's exactly how this movie should have ended, without telegraphing to the audience how it would. The ending wasn't obvious.
1. Fight Club - i agree with everything Ricky said when he was talking about this movie, but he forgot to note the icing on the cake of that ending- the nice, big cock, spliced in for 6 frames. And of course, 'Where is My Mind?', the skyscrapers falling, the Narrator unsuccessfully killing himslef only to rid himslef of Tyler, "What's that smell?" as he blows a perfec smoe ring, blah blah blah, the ending is fucking great. If this film hadn't been made before 9/11, we would have never seen this ending. Hats off for Fight Club.
I considered Lost In Translation, Raiders, and Memento for my list as well. Good choices all around, though I've still not seen Waking Life. I should get on that.
ReplyDeleteGet ready to form another list next week because we're planning to do another three-way list with Ricky on the Dark Knight episode as long as Jesse can stop talking about the Joker long enough for us to run down our choices.
and we're getting Christian Bale on as a guest next week!
ReplyDeleteRe: The Mist.
ReplyDeleteI saw part of it at my girlfriend's father's house as we were over with her brothers for some tasty Mexican food for dinner. They had The Mist playing on the PS2 during dinner and I saw bits and pieces of it here and there during the night. Towards the last twenty minutes or so I actually sat down and started watching it, and I called the ending right before it happened. I turned to Cristina and jokingly said "and now the Army shows up and tells him it's all over." And then it happened.
You should see the whole movie. So good.
ReplyDeletegood episode gents.
ReplyDeleteTop five movie endings.
I agree with a lot of what you guys picked much like savage. The way of the gun is a fantastic ending with our two heroes dying and parkers monologue to god with the theme pure cinematic gold. Rocky, the good the bad and the ugly also a great pick and back to the future. Glad savage put in pulp fiction I love that ending and when I see what tarintino endings made it onto the list I was angry that this or reservoir dogs got left out. Thanks karl.
5. Children of men- more for the same reasons that Rian loves the thing. You don’t really get the happy ending I think people expect. The fight scene with the army moving in to stop the uprising to The two of them in the boat as the people they are trying to meet with might be on the horizon, might not be? What does the birth of the first child in 18 years mean, does it mean that its all over, are we going to be ok? Maybe, maybe not. The screen goes black with just the title and the sound of children laughing and playing is both eerie and hopeful all at once.
4. Leon The professional- I’ve seen it so many times but man, I think if I watch it all the way through that one of these times that Leon is going to make it out of the building and catch up with Mathilda…it never happens. Not to be out done the final mathilda scenes of the movie are also awesome.
3. Back to the Future Part II- as much as I agree that the ending to the first back to the future is awesome, the ending of part II in my opinion might edge it out a little bit. The deloran getting struck by lighting, the letter being delivered to Marty in the rain ( A scene that when I was a kid freaked me out)the “only one person who can help me” cut back to the end of part one then The long shot of Marty running back up to doc, gets me every time.
2. Night of the living dead- this is one I don’t want to spoil for anyone but the originals nights ending is such a great kick to the nuts that it has to make it onto the list.
1. Halloween- as far as I’m concerned John Carpenter only ever made one movie and it’s not the thing, it’s Halloween. Dr. Loomis barges into the room just in time to save Laurie strode from the boogieman, by unloading a six shooter into him; He tumbles out over a balcony and crashes to the ground, dead. Jamie lee ask if that was the boogieman to which he responds as a matter of fact it was, he walks to the balcony and low and behold he is gone cue one of the greatest themes of all time and credits. Its one of the scarcest endings of all time, just the fact that the killer is still out there, there is no neat little wrap up where the victim goes on with her life yadyada. I remember the first time watching it and being so freaked out by the ending that I stayed up till four am watching Halloween 2 just to see how it all played out.
Honorable mentions
Friday the 13th- say what you want about the franchise then ending to the first Friday with Jason jumping out of the water is awesome.
Texas Chainsaw massacre (70’s)- for a lot of the same reasons Halloween is on the list, leather face isn’t killed and he is still out on the loose and the final shoot of him screaming and squalling like a pig with his chainsaw as the final girl drives off covered in blood and screaming is frightening . Ricky how can you like the remake of TCM? There are only two reasons to watch that insulting remake and they are both in Jessica biels tank top. Shame on you.
No country for old men- some people seem to dislike the ending of no country I’m not one of them from the final scene with chigare with Moss’ wife to Tommy lee John’s final scene telling his wife about the dream. One of the best movies I’ve ever seen period. Of all the honorable mentions this one came closes to making it to the number five spot.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance kid- classic ending don’t really know what more to add.
Two-Lane Black top- I love this flick just saw it for the first time a couple of months ago it ends abruptly but warren oates final scene and then the actually ending are pretty damn cool way to wrap up an already cool flick.
Boondock Saints- the church scene nuff said.
The ending of death Proof- Good lord if, on the list of why I want my money back for grind house add that to the top of the list. I had a huge love for Quinton, Pulp fiction and Dogs are two of my favorite movies, I think Jackie brown is good but not great. Kill Bill is fun and enjoyable. My biggest problems with Death proof is its boring as hell, now don’t get me wrong the final car chase scene is phenomenal, I cant knock it at all, Kurt Russell has some cool scenes but overall the characters aren’t that interesting or likeable. I’m not even excited for inglorious Bastards, until I know that QT is out of Robert Rodriquez’s basement and is planning on making a film.
Cant wait to hear jesses review of the thing, I hated it, feel asleep and don’t care to ever see it again. I think when rian and Ricky watch it they get to be in 8th grade again and it adds to the appeal of the movie. Everyone has those movies they see as kids and it just grabs them and you love it the rest of your life, I think that’s the thing for rian, ill put money down that Jesses wont like the thing since he will be watching with out the nostalgia that you guys have.
Some great choices there, Joel. I considered a lot of those choices for my list. Children of Men, Leon, Night of the Living Dead, No Country, Back to the Future II, Butch Cassidy, and Texas Chainsaw are all great choices. I've never seen Two Lane Blacktop, and I've still yet to see any of the Jason movies aside from Jason x (or as I like to call it: Space Jace) and Freddy vs Jason.
ReplyDeleteI'm immediately pissed when you talk that way about The Thing, especially considering that YOU NEVER EVEN MADE IT TO THE AWESOME ENDING, but what you say about the nostalgia of seeing a movie when you're younger does hold a lot of water in a subjective topic such as this one. A perfect example is Halloween, a movie which I think is a load of boring crap, but made the number one spot on your list. And I'm not saying that to get back at you for hating on The Thing, I just honestly don't like that movie, but I also never watched it in my formative years.
As far as Jesse is concerned, I know he's not going to like The Thing. If he so much as tolerates it I'll consider that one a win. As I said on the show, monster movies obviously aren't Jesse's cup of tea, so I'm not going to be surprised if he's not really interested.
Again, good list, and I hope you'll drop by to leave your thoughts on next week's list as we've got another good one lined up.
Guest stars make everyone more excited. I haven't heard you guys so upbeat in a while. That bleep was hilarious and much appreciated.
ReplyDeleteHere's my best ending list:
Seven (What's in the box?!)
The Matrix (Oh snap! I'm blocking your shit!)
Raiders Of The Lost Ark (Dude with the creepy face who everyone hates, his face melts off! Top. Men. Warehouse.)
The Shawshank Redemption (The only movie I can really think of that makes me feel all swollen in my chest every time I watch it.)
Appendix Burst Boy (A New Appendix! Sploosh! Credits. Perfect.)
This is my list that I came up with in 5 minutes at work, so it is what I could come up with without really thinking about it too much. Everyone had really great lists.
I fell asleep during the thing But I did wake up in time for the ending, Which I guess is cool. But by the time the cool ending happens I was already so uninterested in what was going on it didnt matter.
ReplyDeletebut hey, its like a law of nature, if me and you agree on to many things the earth would rocket itself into the sun. so maybe its good that I hate the thing and you hate halloween. someday I'm going to guest on this damn show and we can fight live on the internets.
@ Brian:
ReplyDeleteGood list. I considered Shawshank, but it didn't fit my hoity-toity personal rule about the final shot. It definitely has a glorious climax, though.
I did not, however, consider Appendix Burst Boy, though I probably should have.
@ Joel:
When you're finally a guest on the show, I'm going to make it my goal to watch Friday The 13th beforehand since it will inevitably make for one of the most outrageous arguments ever uploaded to the internet. Now get on the ball and get yerself a microphone or whatever it is you need to be a guest.
Pulp Fiction! Yay Joelar!
ReplyDeleteIt's crazy how many movies come up that we all thought of- Children Of Men, León, Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid, Nightmare On Elm Street, hell, even Boondock Saints crossed my mind for a split second (and when I say split, I mean take a split second, the split it, then take half of that, then split it again. I guess we're talking about a split of a split of a split second. Now take into account that the phrase "split second" is somewhere between .01 seconds and .99 seconds, let's say it's .5 seconds. So take half a second, split it, that's .25 sec, split that, you've got .125 seconds. That's how fast i considered Boondock Saints' ending. Not really. I just wanted to do math :P ).
Nightmare On Elm Street wasn't considered after I remembered I couldn't remember the ending. It's been like, 7 years since I've seen it.
Hey Joel! ruhmembuh dat awsum paht in DK2 whehr Brainiac tuhns inta a giant frawg and stawmps awn Metropolis?! Dat was wicked awsum!
Remember it?!?!? Good sir I only pray that Nolan adapts dark knight strikes again for his next movie and it ends with a gigantic CGI braniac stomping on metropolis, it would still be better then superman returns and lex luthors evil krptonian real-estate scam, did he really think he could put a few cottages up on those jagged rock formations and people would movie in? wicked Pissah cah bah fah brotha ummmmm that’s all I’ve got for generic Boston slang harbah Heah…done I hate frank miller no one go see the spirit it looks awful.
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All I need is a microphone to guest on this damn show…I think I gots one of them lying around here somewhere. If that’s really all I need it is a crime that I haven’t been on yet or Kansas cause that dude is the funniest guy you’ll ever talk to. He is like at least seven Ricky’s. no offense to ricky
@rain
good sir, if you think for one moment that I’m going to try and defend the Friday the 13th franchise you gots some issues in your head bone there is no excuse for them except they make me laugh. You should watch them just because they are terrible and we can discuss the hundred excuse teens have for going into a barn (where Jason is hiding for most of the movie) in part three or his pumpkin like face in VIII. Oh the joy, I haven’t watched any of them in a couple of years maybe I should watch them all again as well.
@anyone willing to answer
Actually listen to the previous two tonight at work and they were both good. It was sad to hear how excited you guys were for Hellboy only to be disappointed. Haven’t seen it yet, so I can’t judge.
Daniel Craig being blond bothered me until I saw Casino royale, now I don’t care at all. The new one looks awesome, how do you guys feel about it being the first direct sequel in the franchises history? Starting only about thirty minutes after the end of casino royale.
I’m going to go out on a limb and say now That not only I’am not looking forward to watchmen and I think watchmen is going to bomb at the box office.
@ Joel:
ReplyDeleteI take it you'll be seeing the Friday The Thirteenth remake coming out next year though, correct?
I'm excited for Quantum of Solace. Casino Royale wasn't great, but I liked it enough. Since I've seen every Bond movie I have a feeling that I'll never be able to avoid another one as long as I live for the sheer ability to compare them all with one another. Also, it could be argued that other Bond films have been direct sequels as well. For instance, On Her Majesty's Secret Service ends with Bond's wife being killed by Ernst Blofeld and Diamonds Are Forever opens with him tracking Blofeld down to get revenge on him.
As far as Watchmen is concerned, I've never for a moment believed that a film could live up to the comic, so I'm not expecting much. If I'm lucky my low expectations will allow me to enjoy the movie on some level. I suppose we'll be talking about the trailer on the next episode of the podcast since it's supposed to be showing in front of The Dark Knight.
not really interested in a remake of friday the 13th espically when they(from what i've heard) are going to try and fit the storyline of the first four films(term used extremly loosly) into it. I hate remakes the horrors one especially are insulting. TCM was terrible, Halloween is embaressing(if and when you finally see this turd, if you like it have me on and that will be the greatest fight ever on the internets I promise)you just cant remake this movies with millions of dollars.
ReplyDeleteI'm all for another friday the 13th, I felt that freddy vs Jason performed well enough at the box office to warrent another outing but not a remake they couldnt just make a decent sequel with some interesting ideas. who is clamoring for a reboot of the franchise? I always feel like these horror franchise pump out sequel after sequel and they get retarded, then the movie company looks at the fans and says look at these horrible movies you guys made what the hell did you do to our franchise, thats it were starting over.
all that said Ill end up seeing it eventually. And i'll hate it.
no more remakes, everything is a remake now, and I hate it, there are a few good ones 310 to yuma springs to mind. I mean really what the hell is hollywood going to remake and 20 years? remakes of remakes? scary.
I'm actually a fan of the Texas Chainsaw remake. I won't say it's better than the original or anything, but I thought it was a very effective horror movie with quite a bit of suspense. The sequel (or prequel, I suppose) on the other hand, was shit.
ReplyDeleteIn general I've never been a big fan of slasher films which is why I've never really bothered with Halloween past the first one or Friday The 13th aside from a few of the more recent ones. I've never even seen a full Nightmare on Elm Street movie, though I'm admittedly interested in checking those out based on the fact that there's more supernatural stuff going on with Freddy than just a guy with knives. I'm more of a monster guy, I suppose.
the first Nightmare On Elm Street was pretty damn good.
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