Episode 168 Topics Include:
- Fringe gaming
- Putting the comics back in Comic Con
- What Rian's been watching
- Featured Review: Superman/Batman: Apocalypse
Running Time: 1 hour, 22 minutes
Episode Songs:
Jimmie's Still Jimmie - Joel Plaskett
My Own Worst Enemy - Lit
This Podcast May Include Some Explicit Language
...It Also Most Likely Contains Some Spoilers
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Great show! You guys pretty much touched on everything I listen to Sidetracked for...
ReplyDeleteThanks Nico! I thought it was a pretty fun show to record. I really want to get Rian to play Magic with me even though I know it's never going to happen.
ReplyDeleteIf we were in the vicinity of one another I'd be more likely to give Magic a try. I'm turned off by having to spend money and learn to play online.
ReplyDeleteOn another note, thanks Nico.
i think i've only been to a couple panels, a George Romero panel years ago. it wasn't exactly a panel more than a presentation thing and it wasn't about any particular movie, just him talking about his stuff and there wasn't a Q&A. and a friend of mine dragged me to the Grindhouse panel one year, no clue why i went because i don't like either Tarantino or Rodriguez.
ReplyDeletei don't really get going to movie panels, just from the one i went to and listening to other people relate the experiences, it doesn't seem like the panels reveal any information you wouldn't otherwise get. they just tease at what's in the movie itself, which you'll see anyway in when it's released so why waste the time. they never really talk about behind the scenes stuff, which is also something you can wait for when you get the special features on dvd/bluray.
i don't really feel the desire to talk to creators, either, maybe it's because i'm in comics so there's no luster there because i'm mostly going around talking to my friends, but i feel a lot like Rian does with Warren Ellis, like what would i say? i guess i could have a regular conversation with Frank Quitely, but if it's just a regular conversation unrelated to him being one of my favorite artists then i'd rather save the potential embarrassment or whatever and just go hang out with a friend instead. if i met Quitely in an organic way the way you meet friends, it would be different, but going to talk to him when he's at his booth or whatever seems unappealing.
i think the only time i've ever done that is with Peter Laird. i had the perfect in because i was doing work for Mirage at the time, i figured nothing could go wrong, the guy was signing my checks or whatever. but he had no clue who i was or what the Raphael book even was that i was working on, he was so separate from anything but the main TMNT book, i was caught off guard and totally deflated.
maybe i'd go up to Vin Diesel or Michael Jai White at their booth if they had one, i don't know.
i recently got back into playing Magic: the Gathering again, too, we got back into it huge a year or so ago but aren't playing anymore. really fun game, though. i mostly played it for the humor value, that game can be hilarious.
holy shit i wrote a lot
ReplyDeleteI forgot, I went to one of Kevin Smith's Q&A's at the Philly Con one year when I was in high school and totally obsessed with him. I'm not sure I'd refer to that as a "panel," though.
ReplyDeleteRoss, the funny thing is that, although we both sound like we're kind of anti-social in a con setting, I met you by just walking up and telling you how much I liked Wet Moon at the 2005 San Diego Con. This may come off sounding like an insult, but I think I had no problem meeting you because I hadn't been reading your stuff for years or anything. I'd never heard of you or Wet Moon before I picked it up the previous day, so I guess I didn't feel the pressure one might feel after years of adoring someone's work. Totally not meant to sound demeaning.
Once more, if I didn't have to commit anything to Magic, I'd be happy to play it.
wow, 2005. thanks for sticking around all these years, man. :)
ReplyDeletei totally know what you mean, though, no offense taken whatsoever. i feel the same way about creators i like, but for me it's also about whether the person is a big name. is that part of it for you too? that i'm such a small-time indie guy? there's something about a creator having a ton of fans around them at a convention or just the knowledge that they're "popular" that really gets me uneasy. it's so much easier talking to the smaller people.
i've had some pretty nervous fans come up to me and one who even burst into tears (so flattering!), though, so i guess it's different for everyone.
it's good you're not buying into Jesse's laughably casual urging to play Magic, because it is not a casual, cheap one-shot type game! you could go to those card draft sessions and play for free, i guess, but ultimately Magic will suck up all your money when you're made to realize that in order to REALLY win, you have to spend $3000 on all the best cards. it's like an arms race.
Ross, I'm with you on the whole spending 3000 bucks so that you can beat everyone. It's totally lame. That's why I draft. Everyone has a shot and no one is going to have a bunch of better cards than you.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why but I guess I'm not intimidated by 'celebrity.' I'll talk to whoever lol. I like talking to the guys that make my favorite books in hopes that I can learn something from them or whatever.
I don't think that how "big" a person is in the comic community matters as much to me as how important they are to me, personally. For example, as I've mentioned on the show several times, I totally turned into a rambling idiot when I met the Luna brothers a year or two ago because I'd recently read "Girls" and it blew my mind. Still, I consider them to be far from "big" names in comics.
ReplyDeleteOn the flip side, when I met you, Ross, I'd just read Wet Moon volume 1 about 12 hours prior, and while I, of course, really enjoyed it, it didn't knock me on my ass the way Girls did (again, this all probably sounds insulting). Similarly, I met Seth Fisher at that same San Diego Con and didn't feel intimidated by or nervous around him (even though he was a wacky guy), but that's because the first time I saw his work was when I laid eyes on his table at the show.
With someone like Warren Ellis or Travis Charest, who I've been a massive fan of for years, I think I tend to feel like I've got nothing to say to them that they haven't already heard before, because I'm so much of a fan that all I can think of to say is, "I love everything you touch." It's like, I've read almost everything Warren Ellis has written and I will buy any book with his name on it because I love his writing so much, but just because I read everything he does doesn't mean that I have fascinating questions or comments for him. I like what he does and all I can really think of to do is tell him that, which is pretty pointless.
I think that the similar interests that you and I generally share makes it easy for me to talk to you despite being a fan, and our often completely opposite opinions on those interests gives us something to talk about.
Jesse: the Magic draft thing sounds cool, we would try to mimic that sometimes by closing our eyes and randomly picking cards, to the point where we wouldn't even know what was in our decks until it appeared in our hands. XD
ReplyDeleteRian: yeah that's what i meant, whether the person is big to you personally, but for me that's also in conjunction if the person is also a big name. like i could care less if i met Tom Cruise or somebody huge but who i didn't care about, i'd be smooth as hell, but there's still a difference for me if a creator i like is big or small. like when i fumbled my meeting with Peter Laird, it was compounded by knowing that there were an infinite number of other fans waiting to pour in when i vacated my spot or whatever. but people i love who are small-time feel totally more approachable to me no matter how much i love them. i think it's also imagining what the person might be thinking, and imagining what a popular/famous person might be thinking is way more intimidating for some reason.
> "I'd just read Wet Moon volume 1 about 12 hours prior, and while I, of course, really enjoyed it, it didn't knock me on my ass the way Girls did"
haha, you keep on digging yourself deeper and deeper here, man. ;) nah it's cool, i know what you mean. i haven't read any of the Luna Brothers' comics even though i went to school with them. XD
a big reason i also don't really care for meeting people whose work i like is that i'm always afraid that they'll turn out to be jerks. sometimes i can divorce the creator from their work depending on how attached i am to it or what the offense is, but sometimes afterwards all i can focus on is what the person did/said and it taints the work. and sometimes if they did something really bad i feel weird about supporting them financially. best to just stay away and let them be imaginary idols in your head.
That's a really good point about a creator's persona when you meet them tainting their work. I met Kevin Maguire in Philly a few weeks ago and he was a totally cool guy. I've always loved his art and meeting him added to the experience of wanting to collect and read his work. On the flip side, I met an artist whose work I really like not terribly long ago, and he was a bit of a standoff-ish dick to me, and I actually do think that it's affected my appreciation of his work a bit. More often than not, the artists I've met have been really cool, but every now and then you meet a real asshole.
ReplyDeleteit's such a gamble. i've been really lucky with the creators i've met, they've all been great for the most part, or at least not deal-breaking bad. i think the worst one was the creator of my favorite comic of all time (who must remain nameless in public here) told me basically that my stuff was porn (a reaction which i guess i can understand to some degree) and then blew me off. it wasn't quite as cut and dry as that but i was still crushed! i still love her comics, though.
ReplyDeletei can't mention anyone else bad because it'll get back to people through the comic grapevine! XD