Episode 196 Topics Include:
- Is there anything Rian won't eat?
- Baby talk
- Oh oh, it's Magic (The Gathering)
- Rian's return to the movies
- Comic news
- Featured Review: Heathers
Running Time: 1 hour, 27 minutes
Episode Songs:
Charleston - Anthony Raneri
The Ballad Of Bill The Saint - Anthony Raneri
This Podcast May Include Some Explicit Language
...It Also Most Likely Contains Some Spoilers
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great episode!! i love the kangaroo burger stuff, haha. i'm with you, Rian, why NOT try it, and i don't even eat meat! Jesse, i like your arbitrary reason to not eat/kill something is if it has a personality or not, hehheh. makes sense, though on one hand spiders have been shown to have differing personalities, and i'm pretty sure farmers who have milk cows that are practically part of the family would disagree that cows don't have personality. ;) if i ate meat i think i would really hesitate to eat cat, though. definitely easier if you don't have to see the animal being killed or see its dead face or something. :\
ReplyDeleteJesse, i wish i could send you all my Magic cards but it would be a huge box, i have so many. would that be something you'd be interested in, though, or do you mostly only like the sealed deck stuff?
on the Watchmen thing, here are some links on the situation articulating things better than i could:
- http://www.themarysue.com/the-watchmen-prequels-allow-us-to-explain/
- http://4thletter.net/2012/02/newsarama-needs-to-do-better/
i'm partly with Rian on this one, too, because i don't really care about Watchmen or Alan Moore's work, but i care about this in terms of a creator issue. yes, DC can perfectly legally do what they're doing, nobody is saying they can't, but this is a moral issue, not a legal one. you can do a lot of shitty things that are legal and a lot of good things that are illegal. it's about how creators are treated in the comics industry, and i don't get this common standpoint of siding with the corporation over the creator. fuck that.
it's not quite the same but as a creator i've been in a similar situation that will at least work for this analogy; i signed with Tokyopop back in 2004 to do my zombie book The Abandoned. they told me i'd get 3 books, but after the first book they were like "we don't want to do the other 2, sorry" and kept the rights. they're legally able to do that, fine, it was in the contract, but at that point i had no reason to believe TP would ever do that. they said i'd get 3 books, and maybe you could argue "well you should've thought maybe that would happen and not signed the contract," but how could i? so what would make the situation similar to Alan Moore's is that Tokyopop is legally able to bring in other creators to do another Abandoned book and use my characters and everything. legally, fine, but i can tell you i would be fucking furious, and i'm pretty sure you guys would be too if something like that happened with one of your projects. siding with DC in this is pretty much the same as siding with Tokyopop.
and it's not just about Alan Moore specifically, it's also about a deeper problem of how the comics industry operates and how creators are treated.
ugh, Heathers. i've seen it a couple times over the years but i never liked it. maybe i should give it another watch, maybe i'd feel differently now. i think Jesse echoes my opinion on it pretty well, it tries to be too many things, and sometimes that can be fine, there are plenty of movies that can shift tone and theme rapidly do it well, but i always felt like Heathers couldn't pull off the juggle.
d'oh, i wish it linked my HTML there.
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first one
second one (i think this one's the best)
Yeah, its funny I've never really thought why I wouldn't eat certain animals and I don't know where I came up with the personality thing but that's just what popped in my head. I just don't know if I could willingly eat cat or dog. I could probably go for the kangaroo, though I wish Rian could have explained what it tasted like better.
DeleteI've really gotten into constructing decks recently so I would be up for buying the cards from you or at least paying for the shipping. Lets talk!
I totally get what you are saying about the Watchmen thing. I think since I really have no stake in it the thing that interests me the most is the creators involved. I get the whole its legal but not right thing. I also kind of understand his point. The one thing is that it seems like DC is willing to pay Alan Moore. So its not like they are stiffing him completely. Its like if TokyoPop did what they did to you and then paid you for future projects, I think it would lessen the pain, right? I don't know, maybe I'm totally off base. The thing about being an outsider is I have no experience to speak from. I've never had my creations ripped away from me. And I also know its not all about money (at least from Alan's point of view).
Regardless I'm going to check them out.
And Heathers is very ugh... it's exactly how you remember it.
Thanks for listening!
i don't think i have any cards worth a ton of money, hmm... i have a bunch of dual lands, though, i think those have become kind of pricey. trying to remember what else i have, i wish i could teleport with the cards to your house and you could look them over.
Deleteyeah, maybe if TP paid me a bunch of money i'd feel better about other people taking over The Abandoned, but it's not quite the same as Moore's situation because he doesn't need DC's money so it doesn't have the weight that it would for me. i'm poor, he's not, heh.
Yeah, I'm no good at describing things like taste. I watch cooking shows on the Food Network and see people describing tastes and textures and don't know where they get it unless it's particularly salty or something. The kangaroo tasted like meat. Not like beef, but good. I dunno.
ReplyDeleteAs for the whole "what would I eat" thing, just imagine that cat or dog tastes good when prepared in a certain way. Now imagine that it's served to you without you knowing what it is and you like it. If you find out it was dog or cat, so long as it wasn't a dog or cat you already knew somehow, what's the big deal? My dad fed me some hot dogs when I was a kid and didn't tell me until after I'd eaten them that they were made of deer meat. Since kids are generally finicky eaters, I probably wouldn't have eaten them if he'd told me what it was beforehand. That's how I try to look at most foods. You'll never know if it's good unless you try it, so why not try something new when you get the chance?
Ross, I think your point about The Abandoned is a good one, but did DC Comics ever promise Alan Moore that they'd never touch those characters again? It seems to me that it would be more like if Toyopop let you do all 3 volumes of The Abandoned to your satisfaction and THEN decided to do spin-offs or prequels or whatever. I can see that that probably wouldn't be to your liking, but if it's part of the contract, they can do it, right? I think it's easy to side with the corporation because they do have the contract on their side. I'm inclined to be sympathetic to the creator's wishes, especially since I'm trying to be one myself, but if the property is going to make them money, and they have the right to use the property, and (in Alan Moore's case) they want to pay the creator for the use of the characters, it's hard to argue with the corporation.
Once more, I don't have strong feelings on the particular Watchmen subject either way, but if Alan Moore had had his way in the first place, those characters wouldn't technically even be *his*, right? I dunno. Alan Moore can come off pompous, whiny, holier than thou a lot of the time too (imho), so I'm not inclined to immediately side with him on something like this. You (Ross) on the other hand are a creator whose work I have a particular interest in and you don't come off like an entitled dick in every other interview, journal, and article about you, so I'd be pissed if someone tried to hijack one of your books.
I don't think Heathers is great. I found it quirky, fun, and different.
the reason i used the Abandoned comparison is because it's similar in that both publishers, DC & Tokyopop, said one thing and did another thing that couldn't have been predicted by the creator. at the time when i signed the TP contract, under those circumstances at that point in time, it seemed perfectly reasonable. but when the circumstances change, the publisher may still be acting legally, but they aren't acting in good faith or in an ethical way. not that Moore didn't add to the fire himself, too, but it still sucks.
Deletewhen Moore and Gibbons signed the Watchmen contract, at that point in time it was almost a creator-owned contract, they would get the rights back within a year or whatever if the book wasn't still in print. at that time in the industry, nothing stayed in print, things just didn't work that way at that point in comics. so when Watchmen never went out of print, everyone was surprised, nobody foresaw it. obviously legally DC kept the rights as per the contract, but it was a bad deal.
i'm not on Moore's side because he's Moore, like i said i don't really care about his stuff and he's definitely a pompous grouch, but i care about this because the bad faith deal is endemic to comics. how come other industries don't work like this, you know? why is comics so crappy?
AWESOME SHOW. Felt like listening to two... Food Oddities with Rian Miller and Magic-Is-All-Around-with-JESSEMUNOZ (said really fast). Hilarious stuff.
ReplyDeleteThanks! I think this was one my all time favorite shows we recorded. A lot of fun was had!
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